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Post by agroson1 on Sept 10, 2008 8:55:24 GMT -8
I'm teflon. You're a Wanker.
Handshake and apology for fucking your game.
There, these issues are over for me.
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Post by earthwizard on Sept 10, 2008 9:36:42 GMT -8
OK Vince,
I see your reasoning, and I see you are being reasonable about this. At first I thought you over-reacted. Maybe you did, maybe you didn't. I'm biased in my own right.
Let me say this: I know you put in a lot of hard work preparing for a game for two reasons. 1) I can see it in the games you present and 2) I DM myself so I have the experience of crafting the game world as well. We all appreciate what you do as DM. Hopefully you understand that we all look up to and respect you as DM. So here is, coming from me, a sincere 'Thank You' for putting on a game.
However, if you need us to buy you pretty gay flowers every couple of weeks then we'll start doing that, too. (That was a joke).
I did find your claim that I am not enjoying roleplaying offensive. However, that could be my own ego at work. I think you know I enjoy roleplaying (think back over the past two years - have I ever backed down from an in-game conversation?), but maybe for various reasons and circumstances, this was not apparent during the last game session. Fine.
I also understand that my side comments can, at times, be disruptive (e.g. "A broken [bruised, bloodied, whateverthefuck - it doesn't matter] wing? We can fix that in one night!" ; "I think it's funny that he's still talking."). I will make the attempt at reducing the number of these comments in the future - but no guarantees, I find that mostly people stay the same. Now, if I am not welcome, because of these comments, or because of a fundamental and incompatible difference on how we play, then I will leave the game for the betterment of everyone.
Now I will present my opinion and only my opinion regarding so called snide and admittedly sarcastic remarks: The comments IN NO WAY are meant to insult the person or personal style of the DM. I would repeat that for emphasis. They reflect on The Game. Yes, the DM presents The Game, but the DM is not The Game. The DM does not even create The Game. The Game is an abstract shared experience only created when a group of people get together, start role-playing and rolling dice. The Game has no ego. The Game has no feelings. The Game essentially consists of the collected rules, settings, scenarios and events that the players (including the DM) agree to adopt in order to have a good time. Let's get this straight: The Game is ridiculous. That's why we play it. A bunch of guys running around slaying monsters and healing overnight? Yep, that's certainly a fantasy - and that's why we like it. We even have to justify our characters' amazing in game powers in comparison to the NPCs by saying "well, our characters are heroes - extraordinary people in an ordinary world. That's why we can do all this cool shit." So in conclusion, those comments are NEVER, at least on my behalf, directed solely at the DM. Those comments are directed at every moron, including myself, who agreed to play in this fantastical world. If we can't laugh at ourselves . . . On the other hand, there are certainly serious elements that we can take away from The Game. The Game teaches us about each other and about ourselves in the way that we are all reflected in the characters we play. And the DM is reflected in the plots and NPCs he/she presents. Therefore, while The Game can be amusing and care-free it is by no means trivial or flippant.
Please don't mistake this opinion as coming from a "jaded" player. I am in no way jaded. I LOVE The Game, and I love you all who play as well. My mom always said, "you only tease the ones you love".
GROUP HUG!!!!
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Post by Joseph Barros on Sept 10, 2008 14:40:05 GMT -8
What I meant was maybe some of that could have been said privately, since when you call someone out in front of their peers you're more likely to make them feel like they need to save face and less likely to have a good dialogue without emotions getting in the way. But I understand what you're trying to say, and I respect the fact that for a number of reasons you need some time off from being a DM. Just don't be a stranger.
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Post by vinnytheelf on Sept 10, 2008 14:40:35 GMT -8
To diminish the game is to diminish ones own experience, on the surface it may appear to be rules and text and numbers but that in no way is what the game truly is. Here is where the conflict between those who 'play a game' and those who 'experience the game' occurs.
The game I was running and had spent the time creating was my game, no one else put their name to it, no one else took the time to create it, no one else was running it.
I was the firmament, the engine powering the universe, the sky above the hidden agenda, the Tome unopened, the beggar on the street the King in the Palace, the ale in the tankard, the poison in the soup, the reflection in the mirror of God.
I was it all, was I there, and all in it was I.
But the shared experience yes, the group mind belonged to all.
It is not you who are departing from this 'game', but I.
I do not call for anyone of you to be changed, that would be wrong. Now, I merely present you with the mirror as I depart. A reflection of my last look over the table at what I found and was dismayed to see eventually and ultimately my failure.
Know this; there was a time when there was hope for my dream, a dream of players at a table finding a hidden truth in the shared experience, each one their own dream, each one their own story, each one their own Legend.
This time has passed now, the way was lost the road is darkened. Maybe another day will dawn with renewed hope, until then,
fare thee well Adventurers.
Vince.
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Post by Grim04 on Sept 12, 2008 12:11:22 GMT -8
Wait... what happened to my chars?
I wanted them to all fight my werewolf/Rinoa/Grim... muahahahahaha...
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Post by vinnytheelf on Sept 13, 2008 0:36:12 GMT -8
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Post by Joseph Barros on Sept 13, 2008 8:48:08 GMT -8
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Post by vinnytheelf on Sept 16, 2008 4:45:21 GMT -8
Ok if thats the way ya feel.
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Post by Joseph Barros on Sept 16, 2008 16:40:38 GMT -8
lol sorry. Didn't mean to offend. I assumed by comparing something occurring in a medieval setting to a punk rock song it was silly time. I'll be sure to check my sense of humor at the door next time....
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Post by vinnytheelf on Sept 16, 2008 19:21:02 GMT -8
no offense taken. its the song(the sham69 song) lyrics they apply to some part of what I was into as far as being in a game group.
For once in my life I've got something to say I wanna say it now for now is today A love has been given so why not enjoy So let's all grab and let's all enjoy
If the kids are united then we'll never be divided If the kids are united then we'll never be divided
Just take a look around you What do you see Kids with feelings like you and me Understand him, he'll understand you For you are him, and he is you
If the kids are united then we'll never be divided If the kids are united then we'll never be divided If the kids are united then we'll never be divided If the kids are united then we'll never be divided
I don't want to be rejected I don't want to be denied Then its not my misfortune That I've opened up your eyes
Freedom is given Speak how you feel I have no freedom How do you feel They can lie to my face But not to my heart If we all stand together It will just be the start
If the kids are united then we'll never be divided If the kids are united then we'll never be divided
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Post by agroson1 on Sept 16, 2008 20:50:22 GMT -8
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Post by Joseph Barros on Sept 17, 2008 13:03:02 GMT -8
Oh my bad. You linked the song right after Matt asked about Renoa and company so I thought that was your reply. Still not sure how the Sham song fits. The rest of us I'd like to think are fairly united in our desire to keep the group including you despite having different ideas and goals concerning what they want out of the game. For example what Matt wants out of the game vs say what Gary wants out of the game are probably quite different. One is not better than the other, just different. The fact that they can continue to sit at the same table and have fun anyways is true unity. If there is one thing the group truly lacks its conformity and I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Post by vinnytheelf on Sept 17, 2008 15:37:08 GMT -8
Well I never kicked anyone from the group for their playstyle of which they are as pointed out quite numerous. I have always had an open table for any playstyle I have even asked the group one time if they would take a player who they all hated back because he wanted to play again with them, of course you all turned him down, those who knew him said no way.
Its not about players their styles or whatever, it was always about Fun, Friendship and the Hidden surprises I had behind the DM screen that's all. I don't care about how people play the game as long as they showed some respect and a willingness to learn the game and put some effort into having some Fun.
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Post by Joseph Barros on Sept 17, 2008 16:52:46 GMT -8
Agreed. Which is why your leaving is so perplexing to us. I get the impression that last sunday was a bad game for you. But I felt all the players present were exhibiting those three ingredients for a great group. You see where I am confused?
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Post by Grim04 on Sept 17, 2008 19:03:58 GMT -8
What about Chris?
Vince lies about an open game...!
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